SPEAKER_00 0:02

I'm so honored to have Alexander and Vicky today here on that Mystic podcast. And I'm going to let you two introduce yourselves and what you do, and we'll dive into a super fascinating conversation.

SPEAKER_02 0:19

Sounds great. Thank you so much, Joey, for having us on your show. It's really a pleasure to be here. I'm Vicky.

SPEAKER_03 0:29

I'm Alexander. And what would you like to know about us?

SPEAKER_00 0:33

I would love to know why you have a bunch of cards. Now, if you're listening on the podcast, you can't see this, but they have a deck of cards spread out on a whiteboard behind them. Why do you have those cards there?

SPEAKER_03 0:45

The cards are arranged in the tree of life pattern. The reason we have that in the first place is because the regular, quote unquote, regular deck of 52 playing cards is actually an ancient system of knowledge that was hidden in plain sight. I believe it's none other than the same book of life that the Bible references, a little book of our life on earth, because in ancient times books didn't have bindings. We can get into why I believe that in a little bit here. And all the pip patterns, which are the hearts, clubs, diamond spades, all those shapes, visual shapes on the face of the card, they all come out of the tree of life patterning, the sephiro, those circles and the lines that connect them. If you look at a deck of cards and compare it to the tree of life, you'll see that all the patterns on the face of the cards come out of the tree of life. So it's an ancient system that emerges out of the tree of life and the flower of life. And this layout behind us is a layout of the fruit of the tree of life, all 52 cards laid out in sacred geometric patterning. That's the quick overview of what that is.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

That okay, this is gonna, I can already tell this is gonna be a super fascinating conversation. So why do you believe that it is mirroring the Bible?

Calendar Math And The Joker

SPEAKER_03 2:04

Not mirroring the Bible, it's uh referenced in the Bible. Oh, referencing the Bible, okay. Why don't you do the background on the on the numbers and the correspondences?

SPEAKER_02 2:19

There are 52 cards in the deck, 52 weeks in the year, four suits, four seasons, thirteen cards in a suit, 13 weeks in a season. When you add up the solar value of all the cards, so the ace equals one, two equals two, jack equals eleven, queen equals twelve, king equals thirteen. When you add up all 52 of those, you get 364.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

When you add like one plus two plus three, add them all together, you get three.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

The joker is the fifth element in a four-part system, the four parts being hearts, clubs, diamonds, and spades. And his solar value is five over four, which equals one and a quarter. And when you put the joker in the deck, you get 365 and a quarter. So it is an exact model of the earth rotating around the sun.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

And it's as old as anything we know. People speculate ancient China, ancient Egypt, I have my own theory, which also we can get into, but everyone agrees that it's old. And in ancient times, books didn't have bindings, like books of the Bible were written on scrolls, parchment, they were called books. So to an ancient mind, this little deck book that accurately represents the seasons and cycles of life on earth would have been known as none other than a little book of our life on earth, the book of life. And the Bible references the book of life many times.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

Yeah.

Judgment As Self-Alignment

SPEAKER_03 3:55

And we're told even that we'll be judged according to what we've done in the book of life, not what's in the Bible. So it's interesting. The Bible points us to another authority. The Bible points us to the book of life as the final authority. And in my own research and in my own journeying, I believe that the stack of cards is none other than that book of life hidden in plain sight.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

So if we're judged by the book of life, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_03 4:25

That's a deep question. Because actually, there is no judgment. It's what it does is it reduces and relieves us of our own judgment. And this is what I've seen over and over and over again. When people find out their cards to play, it helps them to let go of all the self-judgment that they have on themselves that they've been holding. Suddenly they can see themselves clearly, they can validate what's right and true for them instead of what their parents told them or what their friends are doing. And in that clarity comes a release of judgment. So the beautiful paradox is that when we compare ourselves to the book of life, that comparison is a match in a way that is um well, it's authentic and it validates who we are in such a way that it lets us, it frees us from judgment.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

So it's really about how well you've played your hand, so to speak.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

And that is the quote unquote judgment that life will present you. If you're out of alignment, not playing your cards right, that's where life may not go well for you. That's where your marriage may not work, or your career may be stalled, or you may feel unfulfilled, all because you're not playing your cards right. So then you might experience that judgment upon yourself, but knowing your cards to play and playing them right releases you from that judgment.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

And it's really the judgment. I mean, according to near-death studies and things that I've read too, and my own uh communications with the other side, it is a self. It's yourself that's judging yourself through the eyes that are awakened now to the highest potential you were supposed to manifest in this lifetime that you did or did not do, and how you affected other people with the choices that you made.

unknown 6:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

How do you know what your hand to play is?

SPEAKER_02 6:22

It's all based on your date of birth. You have a life path of 13 plus cards based on your date of birth. Each card shows a different aspect of your human being. So, for example, you have a birth card, which is about like what you're here to shine, how you're, you know, here shining your light in the world, what your essence to bring into the world, what you radiate, your personality card is how you see yourself, how people see you. The personality card plays with the birth card, like you know, shines through the birth, shines through the personality. They kind of work together. And then there's a whole life path of cards of like your Saturn card. There is some crossover with astrology, is about life lessons and challenges. The Saturn card, the Pluto card is about the shadowy energy, the unconscious hidden fears. There's a soul challenge card, there's a soul gift card, there's a Mercury card that shows how we think and communicate. It's just it's very comprehensive, but also super simple. Right. Because you just have like the definition of each energy pattern on the high side and the low side. How do you play it on the high side or the low side? You know, but it can get deep, it can go, you know, complex and deep.

SPEAKER_03 7:34

Well, it does, and it's a simple, as Vicky is saying, visual symbolic pattern. So you can see right in the pattern how to play the card well. Um and as you're asking, how do you find it is based on your date of birth. And then in this chart behind us, once you find your birth card and locate it in that tree, in that chart, then you read right to left as in Hebrew, and then the next 13 cards are your life path.

Simplicity Without Fortune Telling

SPEAKER_00 8:02

Oh, wow, that is so fascinating. This is kind of blowing my mind. And it's one of those things where I know the simplest teachings, as you start to work with them, they become really deep and really complex. And then they all start working holographically until they all just become like one motion, like a symphony working all together at once. Is that how these things all work together?

SPEAKER_03 8:27

You said it perfectly. And that's the that's been my own experience. I had studied every esoteric system before I found this. I knew my human design, my gene keys, my Vedic astrology, Mayan astrology, animal totems, you name it. I'd studied it. What I like about this system is the simplicity that, and that it's a visual language. And that's the feedback that I've gotten from people is the elegance in it, the simplicity in it. It's profound in its simplicity. And that simplicity is then holographic and then ripples out and radiates out into as much complexity as you want to get into. If anything, the biggest danger with this system is to get obsessed over the nitty-gritty, to get obsessed over the details rather than take a more holistic perspective, which is the way we're presenting it to you right now in this moment, to look at it holistically. People often can get obsessed with the nitty-gritty and then want to start predicting their future with it, because every year you have a new set of cards to play based on math. And you could look ahead in your cards. What's coming for me this year? What cards do I have this year? And that's where I believe people go off the rails with this system and they get lost in it trying to predict the future, which doesn't exist. The future is just a concept.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

And then they spend all of their time trying to predict predict the future rather than living their life in the present moment as it's unfolding. So you're never here, you're never actually where you're supposed to be. Yes. Yeah.

Persecution And Lost Knowledge

SPEAKER_02 10:02

My first experience with the well in the beginning, when I first learned, I had a reading with someone, and uh she told me that I have the ace of spades as one of my yearly cards. And the ace of spades is about new beginnings and also endings. So she said to me, Well, you might lose some people that you're really close to in your life this year. And I was like, Okay. And I I just had that in the back of my mind. It was always buzzing around in the back of my mind. Like, like, will my one of my parents die? Will a close friend of mine die? Like, who's gonna die this year? Like, it just really, it really got me. I definitely brought up fears for me. And, you know, you know, after the year ended, I was like, wow, okay, no one died. I created all that fear in myself, you know, as of this sort of predictory kind of energy. And how else can I use this information? We teach it that you utilize the energy, you utilize the like, how can I play this well for this year? What consciousness can I initiate? What new beliefs? Because it also it spades represent consciousness, belief systems, assumptions. What assumptions can I like be done with and, you know, and what new assumptions can I form? What new belief systems can I form? And I actually did that around this system. Like, okay, I'm gonna let go of like the idea, the you know, the belief of like the predicting something and using it in that way, and I'm gonna use it in the way that I'm gonna empower myself and initiate a new, a new vision for myself instead.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

So I love that. Yeah, and I mean, and that makes sense to me. It's like because you can't predict and you spend all your time, like you said, worrying about something, and then how much time goes by that you're just not enjoying the people with your you're with because you're worried.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Yes, it's so true. It's like, yes, you don't, you not I you don't enjoy it. You're not I'm not I wasn't present, you know, with it.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

And then it was stressful. It's like so it's so true, Joya.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

Uh I see on your screen you have um nine of hearts and seven of clubs. I'm assuming these represent your cards.

SPEAKER_03 12:21

Uh since we're on my Zoom channel, the nine of hearts is my birth card and the seven of clubs is my personality card. Ah I put it right into my Zoom. We can jump into that in a moment. I want to say something. This I love this conversation because what we're pointing out is reminding me of something that I want to share, which is I believe this information was hidden from us because, first of all, it was persecuted. In the Middle Ages, the church called it the devil's Bible or the devil's picture book. Notice that they referred to it as a book, even in their persecution of it. So it was hidden because it was persecuted. But the other reason why I feel like it's only just now coming back to our consciousness collectively, is because it's such a powerful tool that it'd be like giving a nuclear bomb to cavemen. If you don't know how to hold the tool, then you can really hurt yourself with it. And what Vicky's pointing out in that example is if you're trying to use this system to predict the future the way gypsies might have done it, then you create these obsessive loops, these paranoid loops that take us out of the present, and then it's anti-helpful to our spiritual development and our spiritual growth. And I don't think we would have been ready to hold this toolkit in our collective consciousness until we've all woken up enough to know, no, wait a minute, we don't want that. We want to be self-empowered and we want to live in the present. How can we utilize this tool to wake up more in the present moment? So I just want to emphasize that. That I think that's partly why it didn't come back to us until now, because we weren't ready to hold this power.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

And what do you mean when you say come back to us? Has this information been lost?

Sumerian Clues And Origins

SPEAKER_03 14:12

Yeah, it was it was. That's what I believe. It was lost. It was uh well. It in my own understanding of it, in my own research, it predates the Bible by a long time. And when you look back, for example, into the Sumerian myth, which is the oldest known civilization that we know of in Mesopotamia, the Sumerians talk about tablets of destiny, which were gifted to them by their gods. And these tablets of destiny, they say, when you know how to read them, will uh enable your evolution on the planet and it'll enable you to see all the magic of life on Earth, and when you can read them, you'll be self-empowered and you'll have the fulfilling life. It's very interesting, it maps perfectly onto what we know these cards are. And in those times, papyrus had not been invented, so this information would have been inscribed on tablets. I think they're talking about these cards when they're talking about the tablets of destiny, and there's other historical clues as well, but that's my own hypothesis. There's not direct proof for it, because for example, the libraries of Alexandria and Egypt were all burned to the ground. So if there were records, they're all lost.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:34

Um, but I do think it's ancient knowledge that has cycled back now because we need it, and we are on the verge of a collective awakening, collective shift, quantum shift in our human consciousness.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

I believe these cards will play a role in the establishment of a more enlightened society. These cards in their um well, let's put it this way these cards can build civilizations out of the desert in Nevada on the basis of these cards, an entire city was built.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

Really?

SPEAKER_03 16:14

Las Vegas, Nevada.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Oh, that's true. Gambling, yes.

SPEAKER_03 16:18

It was built on the cards.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

Yeah.

Cards As Civilization Technology

SPEAKER_03 16:22

And that's no coincidence. There's a powerful synchronicity there. And that was the misunderstanding of the cards. That wasn't even the full appreciation and full utilization of what they really are. But even just for gambling purposes, a whole city was built out of the desert based on these cards.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

These cards are for building civilization. That's what I believe they're for. And with them, we can build a more enlightened civilization.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

And when you say that, that to me that makes complete sense how knowledge and wisdom and power would be taken, put into something obvious where you change the meaning of it and now you make it become about chance. It's just numbers and chance and suits, right? So now you're just playing a game rather than looking at them as the powerful tools that they are. And it's really changing my perspective and opening my mind up to the uh number one, the symbology of them. And I think back in those ancient times, how it was um the symbols and then the verbal oral traditions that went with. So I could see how the information would have been forbidden, people would who probably knew about it would have been killed, and then the information destroyed.

unknown 17:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

How did you stumble upon this or or turn to um finding this knowledge and diving into it in the way that you have?

SPEAKER_02 17:44

Oh well, I learned about it from Alexander.

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Well, I thought you were gonna say we could I've been doing a lot of talking. I was gonna give you the talking space.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

Um you you found it first, though, so yeah.

Alexander’s Path To The Cards

SPEAKER_03 17:56

I I was on a long spiritual journey, and uh it's a long story, but it was a story of discovery that I and I didn't know what I was gonna find. It started for me with a surprising spiritual awakening at age 17. And from there through born-again Christianity, Roman Catholic seminary, I thought I might be a priest. Meanwhile, I studied philosophy at Harvard, looking for answers in the great thinkers of our days, histories, and worked on Wall Street for a while, tried every psychedelic recreational drug I could find, went to India, became a Swami there, did plant medicine ceremonies, apprenticed to shamans, read every book I could find, and then it was at a party in Brooklyn that someone casually introduced me to the real meaning of the playing cards. So I like to joke that I found the meaning of life at a party in Brooklyn. Because I did, because that's what made sense of my life. And I think that the only reason I was open-minded enough to really explore the cards, because I was skeptical. Yeah, what? Like the cards, that can't be it. But because I'd already searched everywhere else and turned over every other stone and met with every guru and shaman, and whenever someone came to town, I live in New York City, I'd go meet with them. I met anyone and everyone. And when I was in India, I hiked the mountain to meet the guru up on the mountain. There's a funny story there, which we can do another time. Um but I really searched everywhere. And then the playing cards, like, what? But because I had already searched everywhere, I I was like, okay, let me let me dig into this because it resonated so much to find out I'm born to play the Knight of Hearts with a Seven of Clubs personality. Suddenly my life made perfect sense. It all fit. Like, oh, no wonder this, no wonder that. And then through more exploration, I was doing ayahuasca ceremonies at the time. I brought the deck of cards with me, set my intention. What is this? What does this mean? Started to see that it was sacred geometry, and that's where I saw the connections with the flower of life and the tree of life. Because when it was first introduced to me at that party, it was within the context of a fortune-telling style of what Vicky is describing. I found out my birth card, but then it's okay, well, now let me predict your future with it and let me see what's coming in your year. And that's how I first learned it and studied it. And I was like, okay, this is interesting, but it's not what I'm interested in. I'm not interested in predicting the future. And so that's when I pivoted and started getting those direct downloads of information about what it really is.

From Divination To Sacred Geometry

SPEAKER_00 20:47

And I love that turn from using it as a divinity, uh, like a divining tool, right? To uh a deeper esoteric mechanics for living your life and to look at it not as, and I love how you worded it earlier when you said it's like really about uh awakening to our own potential in this lifetime. I always feel it like it's our job to it, and it sounds like you're a seeker, like I've always been. Like I'm like, I'm like a seed that's been planted, but I have no idea what I'm supposed to grow into other than just doing what I'm supposed to be doing every single day. But what is it that I'm supposed to be doing every single day? Like that's the big that's the question, right? So, and it sounds like you have found the a really powerful tool to work with that exact question.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

It's a map to show you exactly what that blossoming looks like, and that's the feedback that we've gotten. Somebody even said that to me early on, and it really stuck. Like, oh, that's really profound. She said, This toolkit is showing me exactly which type of flower I'm here to become.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

I love that. I've always had that visual, and it's like, well, I'm supposed to. Participate in my own becoming, but how do I know that if I don't know what I'm supposed to become? Like it's this strange riddle we're living inside of.

SPEAKER_03 22:07

That's what I found that this toolkit answers.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

So what does it mean to be a nine of hearts and seven of clubs?

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Well, uh the nine is a ladder, and there's the visual. Can you see that?

SPEAKER_01 22:21

I can see it. I can see. Um yeah.

Your Flower And Life Path Map

SPEAKER_03 22:24

It's the nine again, it's a visual language, and the nine is a ladder. Hearts represent the suit of um the hearts, obviously, enough. Um, and nine of hearts means you're here to climb the ladder emotionally, and that means letting go of relationships, people, and I had had a lot of emotional upset and tragedy in my upbringing. And it made perfect sense of my life that I am going to experience chapters and cycles of letting go where I need to let go of hurt, grudges, wounding, victimization, or stories of that anyway, and forgive and rise above. It's a pathway of transcendence. It's the pathway that classically would be in spiritual texts considered quote spiritual, but it's just one of 52 total pathways. Everyone is equally as spiritual as the other. It's just that one got written about more than the other. And that's another way in which we can judge ourselves. And I see people trying to be quote unquote spiritual, but they have then maybe they're born to play an ace of diamonds. And so they're here to initiate and make money to be an entrepreneur, and that's their spiritual path. Very different than mine, but no less spiritual, no less authentic. So that's one of the many things I love about this toolkit is how it can validate what's right for us. And I've had many occasions to do that for clients. Like, I want to go study Reiki and be more spiritual. And I look and I'm like, no, you you have the cards to be doing what you're doing, and they're like, Oh my god, that's so uh thank you so much. I I love being a tax accountant. I'm like, well, who loves that? But you love being a tax accountant. I'm like, oh, you have the perfect cards to be a tax accountant, keep doing that, and that's your pathway, and so it can validate exactly what we're here to do. But the nine of hearts is about emotional transcendence, and at best, then it's like really and truly climbing up into unconditional love and bliss, which I'm still learning. She can she can tell you, I'm still learning that path, but that is the pathway of the nine of hearts.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

And then so is the first card, the nine of hearts, is that your like your soul purpose, your evolutionary purpose?

SPEAKER_03 24:49

You could say that it's your primary light to shine, it's your primary purpose.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

And then the seven of clubs is how you're sharing that purpose through your personality.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

And the seven is it's about pivotal knowledge. It's the seven is an adjustment. So the way I share my heart at my best is through the knowledge that I speak or teach or offer that creates a pivotal adjustment for people who are hearing it. So it would shift your mindset, it would open your mind, as you say. And once I realized that, I was like, oh, no wonder I have this interest in being like a quote unquote spiritual teacher or priest in the world with no religion, because that's the pathway of the Nine of Hearts. When I'm playing my cards right, I'm lifting everyone up, not bringing them down, because I can also do that. If I'm in my own pity party, I'll bring everyone down around me. But if I'm playing my cards right, then I'm lifting everyone up and I'm lifting them up with the spiritual knowledge that I offer.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

So fascinating. Oh my god, now I need to get my cards right because I have no idea. This is such an interesting technology.

Nine Of Hearts And Seven Of Clubs

SPEAKER_02 25:58

The thing I love also is that so the pip patterns, which if you're just listening, get any deck of cards and the pips are, let's say, for the seven of clubs, for example, it's all the clubs, the seven clubs that are on their card are called pips, right? So just looking at the patterning, first of all, it's very healing because there's energy in this, it's exuding energy. It shows you how to play it well. So when that center pip is on the high side, you're in your genius insights. He will be in his genius insights when he is on the high side of the seven of flips. When he pivots down to the low side, no bueno, he can go into the pity party, as he mentioned, or just feeling like negative about himself or life, like really going down. Uh, so this card is showing you, you know, how to play how one's playing it. And then you can also like it, looks like a little cup here, yes, right? Like where you can fill up that cup. So you want to be aware of what you fill up in that cup, right? That space that's there. Is it an open expansive space that allows for like you know, wisdom to come through, or is it being stuffed with negative thoughts? And how do you pivot to switch to switch the energy, to flip the energy?

SPEAKER_00 27:18

Is this a normal deck of cards that you're showing me?

SPEAKER_02 27:20

So, no, we took the the numbers off so you could really see the patterning.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

But I mean the patterning, is that how the patterning normally is on a deck of cards? Oh, yes, it is. Yes, I have never noticed it before.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Well, that's why we took the numbers off. You can actually see the patterning. Even not only that, but we restored it to the sacred geometric proportions.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

The deck is squished. Yes. Is restored to sacred geometry and the numbers are taken off. So now you can really see the patterns.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Wow. So for people who are listening, when she was just holding up the cards with the clubs, it had five clustered together and then two separated above or below, depending on how you rotate the card. And I've never noticed that that's how the layout is before. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 28:07

Yeah, all of them. I mean, it's just wonderful to see them, really see them more deeply. Like even the nine, like it really is a ladder. It really is. So up or down the ladder, and you use that little pip, the little heart pip in the center to step up to the next level on the ladder. And that's how you play the nine of hearts. Well, you let go, you forgive, and you step up to the next level of unconditional love and compassion for yourself and other people. I'm still learning that one.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

You know, so that's a life's work right there. Yeah. Wow, this is so fascinating. Do you sell your decks that don't have the numbers on them?

SPEAKER_03 28:47

We do. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

Okay, good. I'm like, now I need to get some. Just become it's like it's activating something in me just from looking at the patterns without the numbers. It really truly is. I could feel it.

Reading The Pip Patterns

SPEAKER_03 28:58

We feel that way too. Thank you for that. I mean, when you're sensitive enough to energy that you notice it, I had a channeler tell me that these will be used for healing one day. People will look at the patterns and of their cards and help to restore balance wherever they are dis-eased to help restore the harmony and alignment of their energy frequency, that one day these will be used for healing. Like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:27

Yeah, I could see that because I'm actually very curious what they would look like in three dimensions. Like if you took them and turned them into third three-dimensional shapes and figures, what that looks like, and how that holographically, again, those imprints get visually imprinted inside of our system because they're creating a frequency.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Yes, absolutely. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Yeah. Wow. This is that's so exciting to me.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

Just talking about it, I can feel it in my body, my energy. Me too.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

You know, it just it's so exciting to talk with you about this and feel your resonance. Yeah, that you get it.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 30:02

I will say it has been a long journey. And I when I first found out about this, it was in 2009, 16 years ago. And 2011 was when I decided to start a professional practice to teach this. At the time, I was the only one using it for coaching to coach people to be their best selves. There were people doing the fortune-telling part, as I mentioned. There may be more now, but it's still a small community of those of us who know the real meaning of this information. And it just slowly, slowly been percolating out, but maybe now it will shift in a bigger way. Now that we're talking to you on your show and you are getting it and you're feeling the resonance of this teaching, I'm excited. It's very exciting to see how you're receiving this information.

SPEAKER_00 30:56

I love it. And I've always been a seeker, also. Now I'm curious, Mike. I wonder how my cards reflect your birthday. Oh gosh. Uh-oh. May 24th, 1971.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

You ready?

SPEAKER_00 31:15

I'm ready. This is on the fly. Let's see how I'm living.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

Get the card out.

unknown 31:22

All right.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

You're playing the eight of clubs. And the six of diamonds is your personality card. The eight is represented by the infinity symbol, which you can see in the empty space in the pit pattern on the card.

Restoring Sacred Proportions

SPEAKER_00 31:43

Wow. In the in-between space.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

And it's all about infinite and club's mind with infinite knowledge. Infinite knowledge coming through you, the flow of knowledge, ideas, concepts, weaving together all the different ideas and concepts together.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

Putting them together in a s in systematizing things. I'm very good at doing that.

SPEAKER_03 32:14

Where you get tripped up is you get your mind tied up in knots.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

Absolutely. Yep. 100%. Yeah. My husband actually bought me a t-shirt when we were on vacation that said, Hold on, let me overthink this.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

Oh my god, that's really funny.

SPEAKER_03 32:31

That's really funny. That's really funny. That is exactly the downside, negative side of the Eight of Clubs. Because your mind you have infinite mental power. What are you going to do with all that power? Sometimes you overuse it and you overthink and you maybe even give yourself headaches or insomnia. You think so much that you get your mind tied up in knots. And as we said earlier, that's why the PIP patterning and the visual symbolism is so helpful because it shows you to stay in the empty space. You need your brain needs empty space. Your mind needs empty space.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

I can actually feel my body relax while I'm looking at that card. Really, I can. And it's like, oh, that's why I seek solace in meditation and the quiet and going into that empty space of where my mind finally just goes, shh, and it's like, oh, bliss. But all I have to do is just look at my card and I can feel it. That's kind of mind-blowing.

Healing Through Visual Geometry

SPEAKER_03 33:33

This is so mind-blowing, this system of knowledge. When I found it, I wanted to shout it from the rooftops, and I did, and I got metaphorically a little hoarse, a little, I lost my voice trying to tell everybody about it. And as I mentioned, it's been a journey. And what I've come to realize is that it's all gonna be and is in the right timing of when people are ready to hear this.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 33:59

But it is to me the most mind-blowing thing I ever discovered. And I really searched everywhere and looked everywhere, and this was the thing that blew my mind the most. I'm like, oh my God, that if this is what I think it is, then this is such a huge discovery to help us in our human consciousness and the shift of our awareness on this planet to help us all live in harmony. When we all know our cards to play, then we can be in harmony with each other. And then we're also not judging ourselves and questioning ourselves. And it's such a simple visual toolkit. I love these other esoteric systems, but I love the simplicity of this.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Well, and especially if it's the oldest, most ancient one. I mean that that's it's the original. Why why try to improve upon perfection?

SPEAKER_03 34:53

Well, thank you for saying that. But I mean, the other systems are great too. I want to just shout out to all the other systems out there. There's a lot of great systems out there that people love. They love the tarot cars, they love their human design. And I've had some fabulous tarot readings, and I love knowing my human design.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

Yes, this is the oldest. It's the most ancient.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

This has been the most helpful for me. I mean, I just find it to be profound for confirming oneself and empowering oneself and not comparing oneself to other people, or you know, it's just you have your own cards to play. It's a whole template. It's all right in the template. You know, when I first learned them, I mean, we joke now that I'm I had been on the path to healing and growth. I'm an energy healer for years and years. Like, you know, but prior to meeting Alexander, maybe 15 to 20 years of of doing that for myself. And um, and then when I met him in like 20 minutes, he told me all about myself. And I'm like, wait a minute, you know, you know all this about me in 20 minutes, the good and the bad. I mean, he said some things, you know, he said some things.

Community, Practice, And Patience

SPEAKER_03 36:00

That was not what you want to do on a first date, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

I mean, you know, I was like, whoa, that's pretty confronting, some of the stuff, and but but all accurate, you know, and then like wow, I mean, I love my journey, I'd never change it, you know. But but to know that this template cuts to the chase, and you just put the cards on the table, literally, like it's profound. It's profoundly healing to know them. And yeah, it accepting oneself, accepting other people, you know, it's it's it's been amazing.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

I don't mind that guy, he's just a two of clubs.

SPEAKER_02 36:35

I don't even know what that means, but it just popped in. Well, I mean, it helps to understand someone more clearly, like how they show up versus how I show up or someone else shows up.

SPEAKER_03 36:48

Like, you know, that's one of the best things that it does. And it's what really got Vicky was to she looked up everybody in her life. And like, oh, no wonder this and that.

Live Reading: Eight Of Clubs

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Exactly. Like, no wonder my relationships were like that. Even past lovers, you know, like wow. I mean, just mind-blowing, like how it just brought so much clarity to me. How do you even say the two of clubs? That's so funny because my story is that I like you're very psychic. Um, is that I had um people from my past, two people with the same birthday, um, obviously playing the same cards. They're born on the same day. And there was definitely tumultuous relationships. There was tension and challenge, really challenge for me. And so I was like, Oh, I gotta know what their card is, you know. And their card's the two of clubs. And it turns out, and it turns out, yeah, right. It turns out that my Saturn card, which is all about life lessons and challenges, is the two of clubs. So I'm like, oh my God, you know, they're showing up to show me about myself. Well, I mean, yeah, of course I can know that anyway without the cards, but to know that it's about communication and conversation and how I communicate and articulate myself. Do I really express my true thoughts? You know, um, how do I say my thoughts, you know? Uh and they're showing me that, you know. I I'm challenged, I was challenged in those recent relationships, but often I wouldn't say anything about it. You know, kind of like keep the peace or keep quiet or not say anything, don't want to have the confrontation, you know. So it taught me a lot.

SPEAKER_03 38:23

And uh also you you learned why those relationships were challenging for you because they were your Saturn card. And that's what we're talking about. So you have a life path of cards with your Ida Club's birth card. For example, if you were to look up like who like your Saturn card or your Pluto card, and then if you have people in your life who are born to play that card, then they play that role in your life. And the Saturn is the teacher and Pluto is the shadow. Or you may find your Venus card and the Venus that's love. And if you lose your Venus card in your life path, you'd have an effortless love connection with them. So it's a great dating tool, and that's also how we teach it is find your right soulmate. You know, stop dating your Saturn card and find your Venus card.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

I love, yeah, right. Stop dating your challenge.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

That is so funny, Vicky. I swear, everybody listening, I had no idea that the two of clubs meant anything in this conversation, it just dropped in.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

You nailed it.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

You totally nailed it. Oh my gosh, maybe my cards say something to say, have to say about that. So I'm gonna have to get a reading from you guys for sure. This is so interesting. It's blowing my mind.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

Oh, cool. Well, you're profoundly intuitive with that eight of clubs. Your personality card is the six of diamonds, which I also mentioned. The six is about bringing bringing things into alignment, and you can see that again in the pit pattern with those two lines, you know. Yeah, diamonds represent what you value most in your life, what truly matters to you. So it's being a peacemaker in what you really value, and that could be anything that's in the physical realm. Diamonds are also physical, anything you can perceive with your five senses. It could be money, it could be the body, bringing the body into alignment. I know you're a sound healer, and I know you do that.

Personality: Six Of Diamonds

SPEAKER_03 40:17

So and the way, the way to put them together, that eight of clubs birth card is mental. And so you have that powerful mind at work, this infinite mental capacity, which includes being intuitive because it's infinite capacity. And Six of Diamonds as your personality means that you want to put all your mental energy into doing something that's pragmatic and practical and matters in the physical domain. You're not just an intellectual doing math problems in your head. You want it to matter in something physical. Diamonds represent the physical material layers of life, and you want to bring alignment. And alignment can mean physical, as Vicky said, and can mean being aligned in our health and our well-being. It also can mean you like a clean house. You want to keep everything clean and tidy and lined up, and you want to balance the books and keep your finances lined up. You put your powerful Ada Clubs mental energy to use in the physical domain, lining things up physically.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

So fascinating because I have so many planets in Taurus, which is all about bringing it to Earth. So it's taking that. Oh, yeah. And I have my um I have a Neptune Jupiter conjunction at one degree in the 11th house, which is all mental, and then so many planets in Taurus, which is about taking that mental and bringing it to Earth. So this is so fascinating that it shows up in these two cards.

SPEAKER_03 41:46

I love it, and I I love having conversations with astrologers about this very topic. It always knock on wood, it always matches whenever we compare notes. And I talk to astrologers, it always matches. The cards show what is already revealed astrologically, but again, in more simple visual terms. And one of the things that we can do, and I and I do this with my friends, is the cards can be like the introduction to your life path. And then through astrology and human design or gene keys, you can add some more specificity, you can add some more details, but it will never contradict that original reading of your cards.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

Wow. So, really, living your book of life is really about playing your cards right, living to your cards. And I'm I'm definitely gonna get a reading with you because I'm curious where my drive for spirituality comes from. That I've always had that and what the uh looking for the deeper meanings and the deeper patterns and things, but that could just be the mental pressure to uh, you know, always having those alignments dropping in and always thinking and always seeking and searching and reading and studying, kind of like you, Alexander. Then that'll be funny if I land on cards.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

Well, there is a lot. I mean, there's there are more cards in your life path that we could certainly get into, but you're already pointing out something that's true, which is within the eight of clubs itself, the idea of weaving all the knowledge together, when you're playing that well, it's very expansive. It would mean that you're continually seeking out more knowledge. Someone who's not playing the eight of clubs well could be closed-minded and restrictive and limited in their thinking. But if you're playing it expansively, then you're always going to be seeking more knowledge.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

And it just dropped in too, as I was saying, like this spiritual seeking. I just heard well, I heard my son, because he always calls me mom in my mind. I don't call myself mom. He said, Mom, every card is the spiritual path. It's all spiritual. I'm like, oh, duh.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

Yes.

Cross-Checks With Astrology

SPEAKER_00 43:57

Absolutely. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, I was. Talking to somebody recently, and they said, Well, I'm not interested in going on a spiritual journey. And I just laughed and I said, Well, you're on one, whether you know it or not. You're having a human experience, you're on a spiritual journey. Yeah. And I love the example you gave earlier of um, you know, you're meant to be a tax accountant. That's your spiritual journey in this lifetime. Be the best tax accountant you can be, and you're playing your you're living your book of life.

SPEAKER_03 44:24

You're playing your cards right. We need people to do that. We need people who hold the order.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

God bless the tax accountants. Yeah, for real. Yes. Wow, this is so interesting. Where do you think in all of your research that this originated or came from? The original information and technology.

SPEAKER_03 44:46

Well, my not this civilization. My theory, the only plausible explanation, even though it sounds impossible, the only plausible explanation is that it was gifted by an advanced race of extraterrestrial beings.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:03

Sumerians in their mythology, they don't claim credit for creating the tablets of destiny. They say they were gifted to them by the gods. I think it was a gift from an advanced race of beings that wanted to help us in our evolution on the planet.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

The same ones that are back helping us now in our evolution on the planet.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

Possibly.

SPEAKER_00 45:26

Yes, possibly.

SPEAKER_03 45:28

There are many, as far as I know, there are many different races of beings that are actively involved in assisting and guiding. Um, so I'm I haven't fully decided who I believe the race of beings were that gave this information. I have my theories, but I don't see any other plausible explanation of who could have been smart enough to have figured out how to map the quantum field of our reality. Because that's what these cards symbolize. The energy frequencies. The eight of clubs is a symbol of an energy frequency. The nine of hearts is a symbol of an energy frequency. Everything is energy. And somehow, someone figured out how to map all the energy frequencies that we're all embodied in and living in. And we certainly haven't gotten that advanced.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

Definitely not, and haven't taken it just beyond the mind of cognitive thinking about it, certainly not embodying it, living it. Yeah. Do you do the cards or have you specifically used the cards to look at future energies? So let's say 2026 and the alignments and the spiritual alignments and what's unfolding. Do the cards depict that as well, or is it specifically individual?

Every Path Is Spiritual

SPEAKER_03 46:42

There is a collective. No, you go there there is a collective possibility to read with these cards. Um it's uh let me put it this way. I feel like we're collectively, uh all those of us who do study this information, and now you may be one of us as well, is that we're on the tip of discovering the full potential use of this information. And exactly how to map the collective energy, I'm not so sure of. I can do it, but so far what I've seen is that it's for individuals and for individual life paths and like family constellation dynamics. Yeah. How exactly to read it for the collective, I'm not a hundred percent sure on, but I'm sure it's possible. It's just that we haven't fully recovered what is possible with this information.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

How many different combinations are there of life paths? Do you know?

SPEAKER_03 47:48

There are 52 life paths.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

But then I mean, but when there's 52 with 13 cards, right? So it's kind of infinite, really. You're probably nobody has the same as you.

SPEAKER_03 47:59

Well, this is a really interesting insight. There are actually only 52 life paths. Everyone has the eight of clubs as their birth card, even if they're born on a different day than you, because there are multiple eight of clubs' birthdays in the year. Because we're reading it from this tree of life behind us, wherever you find the eight of clubs, then you read that life path from the position of the eight of clubs. There are actually only 52 life paths.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

Got you.

SPEAKER_03 48:27

There are different flavors of the personality card. Where the infinite variety comes in in this 52 factorial system, and it is a 52 factorial system, is your free will. You are not the eight of clubs. You're born to play the eight of clubs. For lack of a better word, you're a soul. You're not an eight of clubs. So there can be millions and millions of people born to play the eight of clubs who all have free will who will all play it differently. And some may be really closed-minded, some may be overly analytical, some may be really open-minded, like you are, and very expansive in the way they cast the loops of their own mind. But we have free will of how we would choose to play these patterns.

Saturn, Pluto, And Relationships

SPEAKER_00 49:12

I started laughing because I was visualizing our souls all sitting around a poker table somewhere, like, here's your cards. Go to Earth and play your hand. Let's see how you do.

SPEAKER_02 49:24

Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_00 49:26

And it is infinite. And wow, my mind is completely blown. I have to say that it's it's um it's so profound and energetically, I can feel how profound and simple it really is. And that's when you know it's divine technology, that it's not from here, is because there is a simplicity and a genius in that simplicity and how that simplicity actually unfolds into infinite possibilities, is just beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

Wow, so beautifully said. Thank you for seeing us. Yes, thank you for seeing us and seeing the system so beautifully.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

All in divine timing. I know we were supposed to do this earlier a few times and we didn't. And so now I know my today was the perfect day for this to really click and land and come across for me personally, the way that it has is just super amazing. Wow. Okay, the good stuff. Where can people find you? Where can people get a reading? Where can people buy your book? Where can people learn more about this super simple, interesting, fascinating technology so we can all play our cards right on Earth?

SPEAKER_02 50:35

Our website is thesourcards.com. And you can start off on the home page by entering your birthday and finding your first two cards, your birth card and your personality. And it'll show you the high side and the low side of those cards. You know, so just starting by taking that in and and learning more about the cards that you know one's playing. You can go deeper by, you know, learning the entire life path of cards by getting Alexander's book, Player Cards Right, A Sacred Guide to Life on Earth. Also, that is also on the website. Yeah. Um, we're on social media at the Source Cards, uh, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram. We do lots of fun videos illuminating, you know, content of you know all different things about cards, cards of the day, people's cards to play. There's all kinds of things, you know. Cards in play every single day as well. It's not just our birthday and our own template of cards to play. It's every single card, there's cards in play. And how do you utilize the energy, the global energy that's in play every day? It's a whole nother topic.

SPEAKER_03 51:46

Yeah, as of this recording, today it's a Six of Clubs day. So somebody born today would be born to play the Six of Clubs. The rest of us are passing through this energy just for today. So we created a daily game where you can play along with us every day, daily game community, where we're chatting each day about our experiences of that day and how to play our cards right that day.

SPEAKER_00 52:08

So you the so the six of clubs is showing up in your reality for that day, and how are you factoring this card into how you're living your day?

SPEAKER_03 52:15

You personally playing it.

Stop Dating Your Challenge

SPEAKER_00 52:17

Wow, I love this so much. And you can also buy the deck of cards that you've created on your website as well. On the website, yes. Okay, wonderful. Thank you both so much for enlightening me and enlightening my audience about this powerful system. I'm just my mind is blown, truly.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

Joya, you are such a pleasure. It's really, I feel honored to be in your presence. You're really a beautiful human being. And thank you so much again. Thank you for seeing us in this system so beautifully and clearly.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

I feel I feel just so good.

SPEAKER_00 52:52

Thank you, Vicki. And thank you both.

SPEAKER_03 52:55

Thank you for having us on. It's such a pleasure to talk with you and meet with you. And I look forward to more. Let's see where this conversation goes.

SPEAKER_00 53:04

Yeah, there will definitely be more. And thank you both also for bringing this knowledge back into the mainstream.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 53:12

Yeah.